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Re: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05

Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Sun, 17 March 2024 01:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05
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> On Mar 17, 2024, at 10:55 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 10:50 AM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com <mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2024, at 8:47 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com <mailto:superuser@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 8:48 AM Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us <mailto:richard@shockey.us>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> OOB just sucks. I do not know one carrier that wants to implement it
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> The shepherd writeup for this document claims:
>>>    The shepherd is aware of multiple non-public implementation efforts, but
>>>    is not aware of any publicly available reports.
>>> Are these two claims in conflict?  If so, which is right?
>> 
>> I do not see a conflict.  People have said that they are doing implementations, but they are not sharing any details or interoperability reports.
> 
> Hi Russ,
> 
> So there are implementations, but none by carriers?  Or are you disagreeing with Richard's claim?

There are vendor implementations or plans for implementations. Carriers may or may not deploy them. I suspect Richard (who I hope will correct me if I am wrong) is referring to “major” or “top-tier carriers”, but the full set of STIR/SHAKEN stakeholders is considerably larger and more diverse than just the major carriers. There are certainly proponents for OOB solutions in the ATIS Non-IP Call Authentication group.

But in any case, I think the discussion has turned to politics and market forces, which are not really in scope for STIR. My opinion as chair is that the working group has _rough_ consensus to publish it. Certainly not perfect consensus.

Thanks!

Ben.

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