IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Sun, 17 March 2024 03:11 UTC

Return-Path: <superuser@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AE8C14F706 for <stir@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.107
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NnNJ1OM2Ura9 for <stir@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-ej1-x634.google.com (mail-ej1-x634.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::634]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23137C14F60C for <stir@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-ej1-x634.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a469ba7e230so41265266b.0 for <stir@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710645086; x=1711249886; darn=ietf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=TfDgQrECVSAugNWp1FCABuXX+Uwic+EF5OZzic/sfXI=; b=RrxnIopIUl763t8cbCYjkKg0lu7/qHoBd9a9Qif3q58p4NIuib/TUDgcwGqGfuqucM uwCR/Ud6TclY1FgzibAsZLkoIw6+B7h/MCYY9E13jWKsgCSSS5mKK2St9wKfKANEHRa/ YI0q5QkZb0MAWv7Wski1665onaMudNh5rFyR1VLceEZJgYT4e27+J2Tq1qW/fi90QtyM Kw4w9r5LLkkJKeBbjWDQ6XUYj/Khi4uShdN42wV8z0BmjI8nQc3MSX3OZF6JY+nqLeV0 T0Gz8YSC30j8v/l71Ap7JgK4/brCtUrZbMHRIbQACMB579fVkUUNdxPAWOz4p8TyI9mJ 3u1w==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710645086; x=1711249886; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=TfDgQrECVSAugNWp1FCABuXX+Uwic+EF5OZzic/sfXI=; b=JpGsTGcz3r81KeOs7EkqFKuFHAmrOqhgojs0p/1xwAyf5ijBlhSFEkJaJUONKQx0BQ 7XAbTK1/Z9xSWS7c8gi3zJeGg32hwUK6PhPEEXDiVtkxorwAWo6rBKWZqU4MZgu0Qefv lgnGJpFbpaTjBJE6v7fcwST8EYC2IKqHstSyNUbjopgT9NDyODXABqgt86SJqYDf5wjX qCWiQQPtLn8/YeQctsFZ4y+0BiR+Nar3XCHJm2+e/bD29YYcUs2dPiVdTrTBladpChqb 21STQCR4r1WOWdUMADCPzkbr4pr2yriaTJmARmmm0Fkx7qFU0C6104K/98n1xgstqrTS QWpA==
X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCV9noRYv/FsG+t5MXgkrlMJYFnZKr/RG+Q0WEr+h1QATUnYn1ppnfZtvl/YQ2hGQf4rMpW0FgWLsI/l+ASS
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxbrtOT3ruXAXK2DsRosPoS/2cbSAzhGMdxzUAWZxQpJaap/lz8 ncbnbVgSrbBL6tCoWeupOT8QlpumSoUT3aFWnt+rwSwhmZnt+JdNpfMm1VWWqMlL0NlEpwRsa4n Ci5Kl9cMUG8RJ97ChIUqTb8RcLDA=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFJR7Zx3eqAWKI/Y4XSVgUk3rzG1ghZATK1DW8RXmwtW0Lu2hFQhBBacwHwThsXDT3u0VI9NZCCg0Y8JvulyW8=
X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3099:b0:a45:b930:b3ed with SMTP id 25-20020a170906309900b00a45b930b3edmr5946243ejv.3.1710645086384; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:11:26 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <170689342892.43577.13483715713883494287@ietfa.amsl.com> <CAL0qLwb9LUsGuj4AwczOne9GCTT6NvuZJyZYPaeaZdRvaFGUzQ@mail.gmail.com> <97C689F5-C32D-4EAF-AC76-942CB3296341@shockey.us> <01E7796C-203A-4344-A656-EF85817B0E35@nostrum.com> <0D740856-CBE3-446F-B953-363DAC625558@shockey.us> <CH3PR13MB67474302850984AE2B8723C8E12B2@CH3PR13MB6747.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> <77BCC004-8794-4C24-99FE-3D34001DEF5E@shockey.us> <CH3PR13MB674769F00AFF5F6F58E44D7EE12A2@CH3PR13MB6747.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> <0D0ADAF6-967E-4D8B-BC78-450BC9733A8B@shockey.us> <CAL0qLwY-hCHP7k-tdrZg6icJ64CbL21btg-XsJkpBEvB9yRK+Q@mail.gmail.com> <3BE21F04-2FA6-4B4F-B625-93B4CF49CAA2@vigilsec.com> <CAL0qLwb40w9mNrPfigS_DW1dErj14g28fpRNORoXqkBUA7p8tA@mail.gmail.com> <863E2FBF-73DC-4D52-B9B7-FD7AAEBFEEB8@nostrum.com>
In-Reply-To: <863E2FBF-73DC-4D52-B9B7-FD7AAEBFEEB8@nostrum.com>
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 13:11:13 +1000
Message-ID: <CAL0qLwY-nW=hR3gGyY_-fx2k6PVbssCp+odSP+=ZEznzXFW1wA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
Cc: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us>, Pierce Gorman <Pierce.Gorman@numeracle.com>, IETF STIR Mail List <stir@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b5fbb80613d298f3"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/stir/d_e-49ArYcc-9rbKPbTuRnvF778>
Subject: Re: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05
X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited <stir.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/stir>, <mailto:stir-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/stir/>
List-Post: <mailto:stir@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:stir-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir>, <mailto:stir-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 03:11:28 -0000

On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:19 AM Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:

>
>
> So there are implementations, but none by carriers?  Or are you
> disagreeing with Richard's claim?
>
>
> There are vendor implementations or plans for implementations. Carriers
> may or may not deploy them. I suspect Richard (who I hope will correct me
> if I am wrong) is referring to “major” or “top-tier carriers”, but the full
> set of STIR/SHAKEN stakeholders is considerably larger and more diverse
> than just the major carriers. There are certainly proponents for OOB
> solutions in the ATIS Non-IP Call Authentication group.
>
> But in any case, I think the discussion has turned to politics and market
> forces, which are not really in scope for STIR. My opinion as chair is that
> the working group has _rough_ consensus to publish it. Certainly not
> perfect consensus.
>

Thanks, that's what I wanted to resolve.

I'll send it to Last Call.

-MSK

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email