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Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> Mon, 11 March 2024 18:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05
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From: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
Date: Monday, March 11, 2024 at 2:35 PM
To: Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us>
Cc: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>, "stir@ietf.org" <stir@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05

 

Hi Richard,

 

Can you elaborate on that?  Am I correct to assume that you object to out-of-band STIR as a general concept, 

 

 

RS> Correct. OOB is a total waste of time and effort and CAPEX that would be better spent on converting these networks to all SIP/IP

 

 

or do you have objections specific to the details of this draft?

 

Thanks!

 

Ben.



On Mar 8, 2024, at 5:05 PM, Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote:

 

For the record this entire document is an abomination.

 

 

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From: stir <stir-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, March 8, 2024 at 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05

 

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:03 AM Ben Campbell via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:

Ben Campbell has requested publication of draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-05 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the STIR working group.

Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob/

 

AD Evaluation:

This seems to be in pretty good shape.  I'll send it along after I explore one thing:

Section 4 curiously avoids any sort of commitment around how the CPS advertisement would be discovered.  Might be a database, might be DNS, might be some private distribution system, maybe something else.  Should any of those (assuming examples already exist) be described here?  Or how would one get started in this regard absent such guidance?

 

-MSK

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