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Re: [tao-discuss] Retirement of the Tao

Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> Tue, 12 December 2023 15:02 UTC

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From: Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:02:08 +0000
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To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
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Subject: Re: [tao-discuss] Retirement of the Tao
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Russ

> On 12 Dec 2023, at 14:53, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
> 
> Niels:
> 
> Can we ask some new participants whether the Tao was helpful in preparing for their first meeting?  If it is useful, then we ought to find a way to address the points you raise in the Internet-Draft that keeps useful information around.  On the other hand, if no one is using it, let's stop working on it.

Almost all of the information in the Tao is being recycled into other documents, though with a different structure and different style.  For example, see https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/guide-ietf-meetings/ for where most of the meetings related content went.

Jay

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> Russ
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>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:09 AM, Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Tao-Discuss,
>> 
>> We have discussed at length on this list about the role of the Tao. Since much of the information in the Tao is not keeping up with the changes of the organization and the website is providing all that information in various formats to our community, I would suggest that we move to the retirement of the Tao.
>> 
>> The Tao has been with us for a long time, it has served its purpose very well due to the excellent work of many editors and translators. And now another vehicle is doing its work better fitting to current times, the current state of the organization, and the needs of newcomers.
>> 
>> I wrote a draft that could help guide this process:
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tenoever-tao-retirement
>> 
>> As always, you feedback and PRs are very much welcomed here:
>> 
>> https://github.com/ietf/tao/blob/main/draft-retirement.md
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Niels
>> Editor of the Tao
>> 
>> --
>> Niels ten Oever, PhD
>> Co-Principal Investigator - critical infrastructure lab - University of Amsterdam
>> Assistant Professor - Department of European Studies - University of Amsterdam
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