Re: [tao-discuss] Retirement of the Tao

[Russ Housley <[e-mail]>]

Niels:

Thanks.  It sounds like spreading the information out in smaller chunks will help newcomers.

Russ

> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Dear Russ,
> 
> Luckily we have done this, and it turns out new participant are indeed in need of information, but the Tao often was too big of a document to parse. This is why the information that was previously held in Tao (which often contained mistakes) is now available is easier ways to find and to parse on the website, and through different media, to facilitate different kinds of information acquisition.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Niels
> 
> On 12-12-2023 15:53, Russ Housley wrote:
>> Niels:
>> Can we ask some new participants whether the Tao was helpful in preparing for their first meeting?  If it is useful, then we ought to find a way to address the points you raise in the Internet-Draft that keeps useful information around.  On the other hand, if no one is using it, let's stop working on it.
>> Russ
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:09 AM, Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Tao-Discuss,
>>> 
>>> We have discussed at length on this list about the role of the Tao. Since much of the information in the Tao is not keeping up with the changes of the organization and the website is providing all that information in various formats to our community, I would suggest that we move to the retirement of the Tao.
>>> 
>>> The Tao has been with us for a long time, it has served its purpose very well due to the excellent work of many editors and translators. And now another vehicle is doing its work better fitting to current times, the current state of the organization, and the needs of newcomers.
>>> 
>>> I wrote a draft that could help guide this process:
>>> 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tenoever-tao-retirement
>>> 
>>> As always, you feedback and PRs are very much welcomed here:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/ietf/tao/blob/main/draft-retirement.md
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Niels
>>> Editor of the Tao
>>> 
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