Re: [tcpm] informal poll about initial cwnd

John Heffner <johnwheffner@gmail.com> Thu, 06 January 2011 21:18 UTC

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As a firm believer in simplicity where possible, I have strong
reservations on (C).

If approach (D) is chosen, implementors will very soon start making
their own choices for non-standard IW.  It's not clear to me this is a
bad thing, but it could be.

  -John


On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Mark Allman <mallman@icir.org> wrote:
>
> Given that there are three proposals put down in I-D form in some matter
> of baked-ness I am wondering if there is any sort of clear WG preference
> on the *approach* to changing the initial window.  So, putting aside the
> particulars for a moment and just thinking about the approach I'd like
> to take a quick, informal, absolutely non-binding in any way (obviously)
> poll to take the WG's pulse.
>
> So, do you prefer ...
>
> (A) To increase the current static IW definition to a single updated
>    value.
>
>    (Current proposal: draft-ietf-tcpm-initcwnd-00.txt, but I am
>    explicitly not asking about IW=10, just IW=some_X.)
>
> (B) To increase the current static IW definition with a schedule of IW
>    updates to play out over some period of time.
>
>    (Current proposal: draft-allman-tcpm-bump-initcwnd-00.txt, but I am
>    explicitly not asking if you like the given schedule.)
>
> (C) To define a procedure for hosts to figure out how to adapt their IW
>    over time.
>
>    (Current proposal: draft-touch-tcpm-automatic-iw-00.txt, but I am
>    explicitly not asking if you buy the particulars of this, just the
>    overall approach.)
>
> (D) The current IW seems OK and I haven't seen a good reason to think it
>    needs changed.
>
> Thanks!
>
> allman
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