Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-security

Lloyd Wood <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk> Mon, 06 July 2009 05:59 UTC

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Cc: tcpm Extensions WG <tcpm@ietf.org>, Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, Lloyd Wood <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-security
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> I'll wait for you to show me where in the charter it explains that  
> we're
> here to document and standardize implementations, rather than to  
> decide
> what's better for the future of TCP.

The future of TCP only becomes real when implemented.

If you ignore implementations, you have no business "deciding the  
future of TCP".

Implementers detect pomposity, and route around it.

L.

DTN work: http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/saratoga/

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