Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-security
Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Mon, 06 July 2009 04:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-security
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fernando Gont wrote: > Joe Touch wrote: > >>> So...if your opinion has now changed, and the only problem you have >>> with this I-D is the section on "ICMP processing", would you >>> support draft-gont-tcp-security (or at least not object its >>> adoption as a wg item) were I to, e.g., remove the section on ICMP >>> processing, replace it with a summary of what's in >>> draft-ietf-icmp-attacks, or e.g., note that the provided advice is >>> only for TCP implementations that desire good resiliency? >> It may be useful to explain how to efficiently implement reordering >> and reassembly, but not in an RFC. > > Is this a joke? > > RFC 816: "MODULARITY AND EFFICIENCY IN PROTOCOL IMPLEMENTATION" That's 817, FWIW. > RFC 815: "IP DATAGRAM REASSEMBLY ALGORITHMS" (see Section 4) > > and, > > RFC 1936: "Implementing the Internet Checksum in Hardware" (of which you > are on of the co-authors) > > You argue against an I-D that gives implementation advice, yet you have > co-authored such an I-D? Should we take your opinion seriously? I didn't give advice, I gave an example, as do many RFCs. I don't agree that efficiency is an appropriate focus of an RFC, and no, that doesn't stop them from being written by others. There is a difference which is relevant to some (granted, not all) recommendations in this document. It is important to deciding whether you're describing (informationally) or recommending (BCP-ish). Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpRgtoACgkQE5f5cImnZrtfNwCeL6XSS17VVEyV+/8jTTJxsWrU E/EAn1lw40/a4rCCYTXEZLpGBnY5NM7U =zV7c -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-security Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-MS00)[Verizon]
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Matt Mathis
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Matt Mathis
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Ilpo Järvinen
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-MS00)[Verizon]
- [tcpm] [Fwd: Re: poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp… Fernando Gont
- [tcpm] [Fwd: Re: poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Christos Zoulas
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-MS00)[Verizon]
- [tcpm] Handling of malformed options (was: Re: po… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Handling of malformed options Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Handling of malformed options Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… Dan Wing
- Re: [tcpm] poll for adopting draft-gont-tcp-secur… David Borman