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Re: [tcpm] Linux doesn’t implement RFC3465

Vidhi Goel <vidhi_goel@apple.com> Thu, 12 August 2021 18:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Linux doesn’t implement RFC3465
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> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:34 AM Vidhi Goel <vidhi_goel@apple.com <mailto:vidhi_goel@apple.com>> wrote:
>> 2. If there is no such energy, or there are contentious issues that will draw out the process to get this to RFC, than I can initiate a review of upgrading 3465 to PS directly. I think we all agree this would be an improvement on the status quo, but isn't worth doing if 3465bis is going to happen quickly.
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> I don’t think 3465 can be upgraded to PS as-is.
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> Why not?

Because L=2 as MUST is too constrained for high BDPs and most stacks don’t even follow that.


> On Aug 12, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:34 AM Vidhi Goel <vidhi_goel@apple.com <mailto:vidhi_goel@apple.com>> wrote:
>> 2. If there is no such energy, or there are contentious issues that will draw out the process to get this to RFC, than I can initiate a review of upgrading 3465 to PS directly. I think we all agree this would be an improvement on the status quo, but isn't worth doing if 3465bis is going to happen quickly.
> 
> I don’t think 3465 can be upgraded to PS as-is.
> 
> Why not?
>  
> Personally, I like the structure of 6928 more than 3465. Is it possible to rope in ABC (3465) in a 6928bis and 
> change the title - Would like to hear more from the authors of both the RFCs.
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> It will take a bit more editorial work, but there's no reason a single document can't obsolete both RFCs.
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> Thanks,
> Vidhi
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> Thanks for writing a draft. That will move things along.
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