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From: Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting>
To: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>, Lloyd W <lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org>, Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
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On 30 August 2021 08:45 Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> wrote:

>> Il 29/08/2021 02:20 Lloyd W <lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> ha scritto:
>> 
>> I do wonder what would happen if the authors of the other, better, terminology drafts were to also submit them to the independent stream for publication; they have just as much, if not more, right to. Diversity is good, right?
>
> Well, why not. It would provide a counter-reference to those that want to prove that the other draft, even if published as RFC, does not represent the views of the IETF. I think it would be a better approach than just arguing for the other draft to be rejected.


That makes good sense - if I remember correctly, draft-gondwana[1] had the greatest level of support as the best starting point for a document when the matter was discussed on the gendispatch list, one of several drafts that garnered more support than the earlier Knodel/ten Oever document.  If there is to be a move away from the consensus (compromise) of simply referring to NISTIR 8366 then I think it would be appropriate to revisit the text in draft-gondwana with a view of submitting an updated document to the independent stream so that a document is available that more accurately reflects the consensus reached during the discussion on the gendispatch list.  

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-gondwana-effective-terminology 


Andrew

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