Re: [Terminology] offensive terminology draft progressing on independent stream

Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Sun, 29 August 2021 00:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Terminology] offensive terminology draft progressing on independent stream
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Also worth pointing out that the independent stream editor has said that he is working with the authors to see if that draft can be turned into something publishable.

So, the independent stream editor is not looking for thumbs up or down. It's not a majority vote. That is, the draft is effectively being workshopped, and your detailed comments would be free work input to that. It's almost as if it was a nominated workgroup document...

Hey, by providing enough thoughtful input to the ISE with comments rewriting that draft, perhaps you could even get an acknowledgement in it that, on its eventual publication, helpfully shows that you're Not Racist. (Les White, this is your chance to finally shine!) Is the draft source on github for shared editing and pull requests?

I do wonder what would happen if the authors of the other, better, terminology drafts were to also submit them to the independent stream for publication; they have just as much, if not more, right to. Diversity is good, right?

Lloyd Wood
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> On 29 Aug 2021, at 00:50, Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:
> 
> You guys do realize you have to direct your comments to the ISE?
> 
>> On 28.08.21 16:29, ned+terminology@mrochek.com wrote:
>> +1 to what Dan Harkins said. There are additional issues with this
>> draft, but the ones he pointed out are more than sufficient.
>> 
>>                Ned
>> 
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