Re: [therightkey] Updated Certificate Transparency + Extended Validation plan

Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Wed, 05 February 2014 17:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [therightkey] Updated Certificate Transparency + Extended Validation plan
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Adam Langley <agl@chromium.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
>> The CT work seems to be based on the idea that other CAs exist, and even that CABForum members might not follow the CABForum rules. Those seem like good assumptions to me.
> 
> In this case I think the table was drafted with all certificates in
> mind and we didn't remove the inapplicable rows when just considering
> EV certificates.
> 
> In general, CAs that issue outside of the Baseline are skating on thin
> ice whether they are CA/B Forum members or not. We can (and do)
> enforce Baseline limits in software.

Where "we" is Chrome, yes? Is the list of the rules you enforce published somewhere other than in the source code? If so, that would help the CT conversation a great deal.

--Paul Hoffman