Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 21 May 2020 19:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO
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I actually already merged it :) On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:48 PM Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> wrote: > To make it official, here's a PR making that change: > > https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/pull/236 > > Please have a look. I'll merge in the next day or so. > > Thanks! > Chris (no hat) > > On Thu, May 21, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Sean Turner wrote: > > Okay let’s call this done! ECH it is. > > > > spt > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On May 21, 2020, at 11:53, Erik Nygren <erik+ietf@nygren.org> wrote: > > > > > > Are there any objections to "ECH" or should we just go with that? > > > (I'd like to update the parameter name in SRVB/HTTPSSVC accordingly > based on what gets decided.) > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:37 PM Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote: > > >> ECH is good. Go for it! > > >> > > >> Tommy > > >> > > >>> On May 20, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Erik Nygren <erik+ietf@nygren.org > <mailto:erik%2Bietf@nygren.org>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ECH works for me. (I really don't care between ECH and ETCH and > thing both are fine.) > > >>> > > >>> Erik > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:20 PM Christopher Wood < > caw@heapingbits.net> wrote: > > >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Filippo Valsorda wrote: > > >>>> > As a data point, I was fairly confused when ECHO came up in > > >>>> > conversation, and had to stop to ask what it was. I think I > would have > > >>>> > had a better chance of figuring it out from context or search if > it > > >>>> > were called ECH, but don't have a strong preference for any > specific > > >>>> > name. > > >>>> > > > >>>> > ECH does have a remarkable short Wikipedia disambiguation list, > FWIW. > > >>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECH > > >>>> > > >>>> ECH also works for me. > > >>>> > > >>>> Best, > > >>>> Chris (no hat) > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> TLS mailing list > > >>>> TLS@ietf.org > > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> TLS mailing list > > >>> TLS@ietf.org > > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TLS mailing list > > > TLS@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > > _______________________________________________ > > TLS mailing list > > TLS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > > > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
- [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Christopher Wood
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Tommy Pauly
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Tim Wicinski
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Erik Nygren
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Filippo Valsorda
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Christopher Wood
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Erik Nygren
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Tommy Pauly
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Erik Nygren
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Gary Gapinski
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Christopher Wood
- Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO Eric Rescorla