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Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> Wed, 20 May 2020 18:19 UTC

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Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:19:09 -0700
From: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO
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On Tue, May 19, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Filippo Valsorda wrote:
> As a data point, I was fairly confused when ECHO came up in 
> conversation, and had to stop to ask what it was. I think I would have 
> had a better chance of figuring it out from context or search if it 
> were called ECH, but don't have a strong preference for any specific 
> name.
> 
> ECH does have a remarkable short Wikipedia disambiguation list, FWIW. 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECH

ECH also works for me.

Best,
Chris (no hat)

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