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[TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Mon, 27 April 2026 16:59 UTC

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On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 3:23 AM Muhammad Usama Sardar <
muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> wrote:

> the primary concern was to preserve anonymity of FATT, even though the set
> is itself very small.
>

Just to be clear, the membership is public:
https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/blob/main/fatt-membership.md

That the membership is public for a WG-sanctioned one is in the IESG
statement:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-on-design-teams-20011221/


> My idea of *hybrid* design team is just a middle ground that hopefully
> works for everyone.
>

Like I said, I can live with what you have, but I wish the intra-FATT stuff
was public and read-only, like IESG minutes.

thanks,
Rob

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