[TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT
Muhammad Usama Sardar <muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> Mon, 27 April 2026 17:44 UTC
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Subject: [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT
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I think we have converged on the hybrid proposal. Anyone else got any opinions? In particular, anyone opposing the proposal? On 27.04.26 18:59, Rob Sayre wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 3:23 AM Muhammad Usama Sardar > <muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> wrote: > > the primary concern was to preserve anonymity of FATT, even though > the set is itself very small. > > > Just to be clear, the membership is public: > https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/blob/main/fatt-membership.md Correct. That's what I called as the 'very small' anonymity set. My point was that: within this anonymity set, they were not comfortable revealing the identity of the individual comments, hence 'anonymous' or 'unnamed' FATT member in [0]. But that's fine because all of them are respectable field experts. > My idea of /hybrid/ design team is just a middle ground that > hopefully works for everyone. > > > Like I said, I can live with what you have, but I wish the intra-FATT > stuff was public and read-only, like IESG minutes. Thank you. If the hybrid proposal goes well, I think FATT might be more willing to make intra-FATT open as well. So let's go with the hybrid proposal, and revisit open proposal at some point in the future. Best regards, -Usama [0] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/125/materials/slides-125-tls-sessa-fatt-report-on-eku-00.pdf#page=11
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- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Felix Linker
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar