[TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates
Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Wed, 22 April 2026 12:58 UTC
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From: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 08:57:53 -0400
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I’d bucket this in the transparency bucket. Merging. spt > On Apr 21, 2026, at 19:47, Muhammad Usama Sardar <muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> wrote: > > Dear Deirdre, Joe, and Sean, > > Following up with a new PR [0]. > > On 10.04.26 16:00, Sean Turner wrote: >> There were other suggestions at IETF 125, but I do not remember much support for them. > I believe some things don't really need any support. Some things already have consensus and are already part of the process ([1] explains this one specifically; so won't repeat here), for which we have spent significant amount of time a couple of years ago in debating on list, in meetings and even in an interim. So this needs folks to stand up and say that they oppose it, rather than someone supporting it. > > TBH, I will be very surprised if there is even a single member of the WG who would like to get emails like [1] to be "informed" that a new FATT member has been added; and this is not the first time this has happened. > > I am not trying to be difficult, but it's unfortunate that I have to repeat the same thing every time new FATT is added. I am just trying to think of ways to make it easier for you not to forget it. For instance, when you add FATT member next time, the table in [0] will remind you that you might like to at least inform us instead of just adding FATT and approving PR. > > FATT addition is not frequent. IIRC we had two new in two years. So I am confident to say that it will not be much effort to maintain it in future. Nevertheless as the other PR, I am happy to volunteer to help maintain it in future. > > It may not be super important for others, but it is for me since I kind of directly work with them under their guidance. I need to know who is in FATT; who to contact for which draft etc. > > Thank you for your consideration in making it more transparent and keeping WG in the loop. > > Sincerely, > > -Usama > > [0] https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/pull/20 > > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/6usy24RJ3FQS-EwS79gd-3UEqak/ >
- [TLS] FATT Process Updates Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: FATT process for … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Felix Linker
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: FATT Process Updates: Contacting FATT Muhammad Usama Sardar