Re: [TLS] Bakeoffs

Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> Thu, 17 April 2014 12:19 UTC

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FWIW, 1-RTT latency is mainly an issue when you have a browser making a dozen connections to a secure site.  With HTTP/2 that particular problem goes away...

On Apr 16, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 16 April 2014 16:21, Trevor Perrin <trevp@trevp.net> wrote:
>> * Start work now on a TLS 1.3 that is a cleaned-up / stripped-down
>> profile of TLS 1.2, without major handshake changes or new features,
>> aiming to finish in a few months.
> 
> I want a pony too, but since the latency improvements are the main
> reason we have people interested in TLS 1.3, I'm pretty sure that a
> plan like this won't have the desired effect.  It might reduce the
> volume of mail I get from this list, which is one advantage I suppose.
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