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Re: [TLS] Bakeoffs

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Thu, 17 April 2014 14:30 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Trevor Perrin <trevp@trevp.net>, Patrick McManus <pmcmanus@mozilla.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:30:46 -0400
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> Unfortunately, charter goals like (encrypted handshake, 0-RTT reconnect, privacy-friendly) do require a major rework of the TLS handshake.  See Eric's proposal for one example [1].

And if it turns out that it's more work than we want to do, and that certain goals are not meant, that's okay.  " When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

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