Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Fwd: Next steps: chat service trials

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Le 15/12/2020 à 16:05, Robert Sparks a écrit :
[...]
>>> For convenience:
>>>
>>> https://zulip-trial1.ietf.org, https://matrix-trial1.ietf.org and 
>>> https://xmpp-trial1.ietf.org
>>
>> I try to connect to the zulip URL but it does not accept my existing 
>> IETF datatracker|mailarchive password.  However, it offers a 
>> possibility to create a new account ("S'inscrire"). Should I create a 
>> new account for zulip?
 >>
> Yes. None of the trial services currently attempt to reuse the 
> datatracker credentials.

Thanks.  I registered on Zulip and performed the email confirmation and 
connected to zulip.  All that was on my computer that is only on IPv6 
(IPv4 is disabled on the iface).  It is probably the first time I can do 
such a smooth registration on an IPv6-only computer.

I will see for further testing.

Alex

>>
>> (fyi, when I connect to meetecho I use my existing IETF
>>  datatracker|mailarchive password)
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>>
>>> Those are detailed more thoroughly in the announcements you can 
>>> re-read at
>>>
>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-announce/?q="trial chat"
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you've used the services, please take a few minutes to provide 
>>>>> feedback at [e-mail].
>>>>
>>>> This is a good point.  I wonder whether there can be an automated
>>>> forwarding between lists that have a certain common interest? E.g. when
>>>> I post here with 'tools' in the Subject line it also gets there, and
>>>> vice-versa with 'couches'.
>>> The zulip instance ingests a few mailing lists, but that bridge is 
>>> not bi-directional. There are different modes of conversation with 
>>> email and chat - the email reflection of chat would look similar to 
>>> an email reflection of a jabber room - not a very pleasant way to 
>>> consume or participate in the chat.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RjS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:     Next steps: chat 
>>>>> service trials Date:     Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:00:58 -0600 From: 
>>>>> Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> Reply-To:     tools-discuss 
>>>>> <[e-mail]> To:     [e-mail]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have been running trial zulip, matrix, and xmpp services since 
>>>>> October. See 
>>>>> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-announce/?q=%22trial%20chat%22> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> As noted in those announcements, the issue that we are trying to
>>>>> address is the difficulty people have been reporting obtaining
>>>>> jabber services and clients. We are hopeful that these trials will
>>>>> help the community develop a better sense of whether to focus on
>>>>> improving the experiences with xmpp or to pursue other chat
>>>>> solutions. We are also open to the possibility that these other
>>>>> solutions may be worth operating in addition to improving the
>>>>> experiences from xmpp.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, usage and feedback so far has not been sufficient to 
>>>>> inform what services we should run in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had around 50 local jabber accounts created on 
>>>>> xmpp-trial1.ietf.org, and around 40 accounts were created on each 
>>>>> of the matrix and zulip services. Few rooms have been created on 
>>>>> the matrix service other than those bridging to xmpp. Few streams 
>>>>> were created on the zulip service other than those bridging to xmpp 
>>>>> and those ingesting a few mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are not aware of anyone trying to use the zulip or matrix 
>>>>> servers for ietf work outside the main meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you've used the services, please take a few minutes to provide 
>>>>> feedback at [e-mail].
>>>>>
>>>>> Is providing local jabber accounts and a web interface to jabber 
>>>>> sufficient? Are there features that matrix or zulip provide that 
>>>>> are truly helpful for progressing IETF work? If so, please describe 
>>>>> how they are helping.
>>>>>
>>>>> To collect more feedback, we are planning to extend the trials 
>>>>> through IETF 110. Please take advantage of these services between
>>>>> now and then (at interim meetings for example) and let us know what
>>>>> you find to be effective.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are interested in using these services more directly for 
>>>>> your group's day-to-day communication, and are willing to test one 
>>>>> or both
>>>>> of these services on a primary basis for a while, please coordinate
>>>>> with the appropriate leadership and let the tools team know so we can
>>>>> help accommodate.  Please consider using these services for ad-hoc,
>>>>> design-team meetings, and even interims (again, coordinating with the
>>>>> appropriate leadership).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have had issues using Jabber in the past, please take some 
>>>>> time now to work with these new services and describe whether they 
>>>>> improve your experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need more feedback about these services to develop a sense of
>>>>> what will best meet the community's needs going forward. Please
>>>>> engage in exploring and discussing them at [e-mail].
>>>>>
>>>>> While exploring, feel free to use the trial1-feedback room on 
>>>>> Matrix and the trial1-feedback stream on Zulip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again to the volunteers that have been helping configure
>>>>> these services and keep them going.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Sparks, Tools Team Chair
>>>>>
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