Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29
Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> Wed, 30 September 2020 08:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29
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Hi I think that issue #29 can be closed and moved to ICCRG. My impression, based on earlier discussions on this mailing list is that possible RFC3168 bottlenecks such as home gateways can be updated to support L4S alongside with other necessary updates that are done to block e.g. security threats. In addition, this discussion is a non-issue for 4G/5G access as RFC3168 ECN is AFAIK not at all implemented or publicly available in 4G/5G. Also think that it is reasonable to go for algorithms that can do detection rather than fall back. This can be documented/referenced to in the L4S ops draft started by Greg White, that is published later on. The important thing is that I dont see any reasons why L4S issue #29 should block WGLC for the L4S drafts. What worries me deeply is that this activity tend to get stalled in endless discussions and deep analysis what people may or may not have said and that sucks energy from the group. Also I notice that SCE is still brought up even though it had very limited support in the group while L4S has quite large support. Why do we still discuss SCE here ?. We really need to move forward, now!. Therefore I would encourage that the persons who are against L4S instead spend their time and energy on work to make the L4S drafts advance through WGLC and contribute to the L4S ops draft. Regards /Ingemar ================================ Ingemar Johansson M.Sc. Master Researcher Ericsson Research RESEARCHER GFTL ER NAP NCM Netw Proto & E2E Perf Labratoriegränd 11 977 53, Luleå, Sweden Phone +46-1071 43042 SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com Talk about a dream, try to make it real Bruce Springsteen =================================
- [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Gorry (erg)
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Greg White
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for assessing L4S safety [was: p… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29 Rodney W. Grimes