Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29

Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Mon, 28 September 2020 19:21 UTC

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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] plan for L4S issue #29
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2020, Gorry (erg) wrote:

> At some point the working group needs to publish the spec. - This final 
> stage is taking longer than I would hope, and I do hope that will be 
> seeing a WGLC soon.

Do we actually?

I still haven't ruled out that we decide not to use these bits, for now, 
because we don't know enough how it will affect the entire Internet.

This means declaring failure and say "no" to both SCE and L4S until 
further notice.

I think both L4S and SCE has problems and I think proponents for both are 
glossing over some of these problems.

What happened to the L4S issue # 16 discussion? It seems to have died in 
June with no conclusion?

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se