Re: [tsvwg] path forward on L4S issue #16

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Tue, 09 June 2020 10:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] path forward on L4S issue #16
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> On 9 Jun, 2020, at 10:33 am, Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> wrote:
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> "Even though it is more than a magnitude difference in queue delay between
> CoDel-ECN and L4S, it is fair to say that these simple simulations should of
> course be seen as just a snapshot."

Not to mention a magnitude difference in throughput.

 - Jonathan Morton