Re: [v6ops] A good example of why we need to careful about ULAs

Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Sat, 01 June 2013 02:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] A good example of why we need to careful about ULAs
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On May 31, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote:

> On May 31, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>> How is having them leak in attempted TCP connections worse than having them leak in ICMP headers? It's still an invalid header.
> 
> The ttl exceeded return packet doesn't expect a return packet of its own, so the fact that there's a "bogus" IP address on the header causes no harm, despite being technically wrong.   Filtering the packet based on the source address, on the other hand, would cause harm.   Nobody ever said life was going to be simple.

The TTL Exceeded packet shouldn't get forwarded by any router as a result of the LL Source address.

Thus it should never reach its destination.

Thus it will break traceroutes.

Thus it is harmful.

Owen