Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 21 March 2010 00:21 UTC

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:19:50 +1300
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 2010-03-21 08:32, Mark Townsley wrote:
> 
> On 3/20/10 1:32 AM, james woodyatt wrote:
>> On Mar 19, 2010, at 16:50, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>   
>>> But I'm afraid that the simplicity of 'default deny' has long
>>> ago won the hearts and minds of enterprise network managers.
>>>      
>> Sadly, enterprise network managers aren't the only people whose
>> legitimate interests are at stake in the matter under discussion.
>>    
> This document is clearly scoped in the first sentence of the
> Introduction to:
> 
> "gateway devices that enable delivery of Internet services in
> residential and small office settings."
> 
> So, I'm not sure why we are even considering enterprise network managers
> here.

Fair enough, but...
> 
> The networks themselves, the assets under protection, the types of
> applications, are quite different
> between and enterprise network and residential network.

Indeed. But ISPs that supply CPE to their customers are going to
assume that their customers are running unpatched insecure operating
systems at high risk of catching malware. So I think they are just as
likely as enterprise IT departments to favour default deny approaches.

    Brian
> 
> - Mark
>>
>> -- 
>> james woodyatt<jhw@apple.com>
>> member of technical staff, communications engineering
>>
>>
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>>    
> 
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Fwd: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 - ICMP… Rémi Després
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 - ICMP … james woodyatt
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 - ICMP … Rémi Després
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Brian E Carpenter
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Smith
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Brian E Carpenter
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 james woodyatt
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Brian E Carpenter
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 james woodyatt
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Fred Baker
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Fred Baker
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Fred Baker
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Shane Amante
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Smith
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Cameron Byrne
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 james woodyatt
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Smith
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Gert Doering
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Brian E Carpenter
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Smith
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 james woodyatt
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Brian E Carpenter
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 james woodyatt
Status of RFC 4864 (was Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-si… Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Smith
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Mark Townsley
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Ole Troan
Re: I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-09 Brian E Carpenter