Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Mon, 10 November 2008 15:20 UTC

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:19:15 +0100
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: EricLKlein@softhome.net
Cc: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <gvandeve@cisco.com>, Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>, Margaret Wasserman <mrw@lilacglade.org>, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, Behave WG <behave@ietf.org>, "Wes Beebee (wbeebee)" <wbeebee@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft
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Hi,

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 08:16:04AM -0700, EricLKlein@softhome.net wrote:
> This makes sense to me, lets first identify the problems we want to solve 
> and then see how to fix them rather than assigning NAT as a solution to 
> problems that are not clearly defined.

Well, the main unsolved problem I see is

 - (small to medium) enterprise customers that want to change their ISP 
   without renumbering their internal network

For larger enterprises, I see "acquiring their own IPv6 address space"
(either by means of becoming a member of their local RIR and grabbing
a "provider" allocation, or by means of IPv6 PI space) "and using BGP"
as the answer to that problem.

Gert Doering
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