Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft
EricLKlein@softhome.net Fri, 07 November 2008 18:25 UTC
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From: EricLKlein@softhome.net
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: "Wes Beebee (wbeebee)" <wbeebee@cisco.com>, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>, Margaret Wasserman <mrw@lilacglade.org>, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, Behave WG <behave@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:23:39 -0700
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Brian E Carpenter writes: > Wes, > > On 2008-11-07 03:40, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wrote: >> I guess RFC 4864 doesn't go quite far enough - it says (paraphrasing): >> You shouldn't need NAT66 because there are other ways to accomplish your >> goals which may be existing or under development at IETF. > > And the weakness in that is that although we have the gap analysis > in 4864, we do *not* have an adequate work plan to fill those gaps. > (ADs: I hope you are reading this.) Until we do, the emperor is > missing a few vital items of clothing. > >> >> Are we prepared to make a stronger statement here? Are we prepared to >> say: >> If you use NAT66, then be prepared for interoperability problems with >> IETF specifications because we WILL NOT design around your box, and, >> furthermore, that all the reasons you would want such a box have been >> fully accomodated through other means which are all in a good enough >> state for you to deploy today. > > I think it's unrealistic to say that. We can put strong health warnings > in the draft, but we can't assert that other means exist for everything > until that becomes true (see above). We know very well that we can't > make that 'WILL NOT' assertion, because that isn't how our industry, > or the IETF, works. I'm unhappy about this but we have to be realistic. > > MAT66 works for me because it makes it clear that this is not NAPT66. > > Brian I agree with Brian, MAT would work as it breaks from the NAT mentality and may be more manageable in the future. Eric
- RE: Comments on the NAT66 draft Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- RE: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Denis-Courmont
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- RE: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Tim Chown
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft james woodyatt
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft ericlklein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… james woodyatt
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… Gert Doering
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… james woodyatt
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… Gert Doering
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… james woodyatt
- Re: [BEHAVE] The renumbering problem [Re: Comment… Iljitsch van Beijnum