Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Mon, 10 November 2008 14:40 UTC

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:39:22 +0100
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <gvandeve@cisco.com>
Cc: EricLKlein@softhome.net, Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>, Margaret Wasserman <mrw@lilacglade.org>, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, Behave WG <behave@ietf.org>, "Wes Beebee (wbeebee)" <wbeebee@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft
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Hi,

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:16:29AM +0100, Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve) wrote:
>  [ DHCPv6 makes renumbering easy, but... ]
>
> For end-systems statefull addressing could aid, however what about BGP
> sessions, addressing of network elements, access-lists, firewalls,
> etc... These will require manual handling and if realizing some networks
> count +10k network devices the operational overhead involved is not to
> be deminished.

Full agreement.  This is the sort of issues I had in mind where renumbering
might not be *that* easy.

(Just to avoid confusion.  When I mentioned customers asking for IPv6 PI
or NAT66 "solutions", this wasn't speaking about purely consumer-style
end users.  For those, I see no benefit in either approaches)

Gert Doering
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