Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft
Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Tue, 11 November 2008 08:13 UTC
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:12:12 +0100
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: ericlklein@softhome.net
Cc: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, james woodyatt <jhw@apple.com>, IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>, Behave WG <behave@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft
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Hi, On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 01:03:38AM -0700, ericlklein@softhome.net wrote: > Gert Doering writes: > >On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:24:20PM -0800, james woodyatt wrote: > >>My response to that concern is that any organization too > >>small to win a PI allocation [..] > > > >Just to clarify this: the problem with PI is not that it's hard to get > >- the problem with PI in its current form (i.e.: "BGP routed, non - > >aggregateable") is that it puts a burden on all ISP routers out there. > > > >In IPv6, "address space wastage" is much less of a problem than in IPv4 - > >but "routing table slots" could be a much more serious issue. > > This has been a problem ever since we broke class full addresses, routing > tables are bound to get very large as there are more multi-national and > multi-carrier organizations out there. This is what justifies Cisco, > Juniper, etc. in selling larger more powerful core and edge routers to the > carriers and ISPs. I understand how the market works :-) The point is: IPv6 PI is considered one solution for the "I want to be able to change providers without renumbering" problem space - and there are a fair number of affected parties (namely: ISPs having to buy bigger and bigger routers) that think that this is a non-scalable approach. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 128645 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
- RE: Comments on the NAT66 draft Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- RE: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Denis-Courmont
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- RE: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Tim Chown
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft EricLKlein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on the NAT66 draft Rémi Després
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft james woodyatt
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft ericlklein
- Re: Comments on the NAT66 draft Gert Doering
- The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comments on… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… james woodyatt
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… Gert Doering
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… james woodyatt
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… Gert Doering
- Re: The renumbering problem [Re: [BEHAVE] Comment… james woodyatt
- Re: [BEHAVE] The renumbering problem [Re: Comment… Iljitsch van Beijnum