Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis-05: (with COMMENT)
Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Mon, 23 October 2017 18:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis-05: (with COMMENT)
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On 21 Oct. 2017 8:56 am, "Brian E Carpenter" <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: On 21/10/2017 10:33, Tommy Pauly wrote: > > >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Eric, >> >> On 21/10/2017 09:45, Eric Rescorla wrote: >>> Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis-05: No Objection >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/stat ement/discuss-criteria.html <https://www.ietf.org/iesg/sta tement/discuss-criteria.html> >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis/ < https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc6555bis/> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> This document should provide a rationale for why you are favoring v6 over v4 >>> addresses when v4 addresses resolve first. Is there some technical reason >>> (e.g., it works better) or is there just a political reason (we want to push >>> people to v6). >> >> I don't think that's a political desire. IPv6 in general works better, >> because it isn't encumbered by NAT. >> >> Can you please provide a reference to a measurement showing that this is true? >> -Ekr > > For the draft, I'm going to update it to point to the IPv6 RFC (RFC 8200) to point to the various design benefits that an implementation may favor. > > While I agree that in our experience, we've seen performance benefits gained by avoiding NATs, etc, I don't believe that we have the correct material to reference from this draft to assert that point. Yes, we sadly lack serious scientific measurement about this, and about NAT-induced transaction failures too. There are data on the prevalence of CGN but not on its effects on user performance and reliability, as far as I know. So, Eric, I can't answer your challenge. APNIC have measured that IPv6 is quite commonly faster than IPv4. https://blog.apnic.net/2016/08/22/ipv6-performance-revisited/ Facebook have found that too. https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on-board/ Regards, Mark. Brian > > Thanks, > Tommy >> >> So we want to push people to v6 >> for technical reasons. >> >> >> >> Brian >> >>> I could live with either, but the document should be clear IMO. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> v6ops mailing list >>> v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops < https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list v6ops@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
- [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-iet… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… David Schinazi
- Re: [v6ops] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft… Eric Rescorla