Re: [v6ops] About Req for Comments - "Transition to IPv6"

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Sun, 15 March 2020 21:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] About Req for Comments - "Transition to IPv6"
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Le 15/03/2020 à 18:48, Owen DeLong a écrit :
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>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 10:30 , Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:17 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet=40consulintel.es@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 12.  IPv4 Exclusion
>>>
>>>   If an IPv6-only network or part of it, has strict filtering rules to
>>>   avoid IPv4 to be transported on top of IPv6, this should be
>>>   explicitly cited.  For example, and enterprise LAN, where employees
>>>   can't use VPNs, tunnels, or even translations, could be named as
>>>   "IPv6-only LAN with IPv4 Exclusion".
>>>
>>> El 12/3/20 12:04, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> escribió:
>>>
>>>        	+	Any environment where IPv4 usage has been discontinued and IPv6 is the sole remaining active protocol
>>>        OR
>>>        	+	Any environment where IPv4 was never deployed and IPv6 is the only protocol ever deployed
>>>
>>>        It was in response to a statement that IPv6-only could only mean an environment where IPv4 once existed and had been removed.
>> Sigh. You have heard me say this before, and I'll say it again. This is me saying it now.
>>
>> "I'm sure we can make this complicated if we try hard enough."
>>
>> To me, and yes, Owen, I'm agreeing with you, an IPv6-only *anything* is a thing that is only using IPv6. If the character string "IPv4" shows up somewhere in the definition, it is overly complex. If you want to discuss an IPv6-only puppy kennel, there are two things that should show up in the dentition: that it is a puppy kennel, and that it only uses IPv6 to communicate.
> Fair enough, and I somewhat agree with you, but even that statement runs into problems if one gets pedantic. IPv6 only surely isn’t intended to exclude, e.g. UNIX domain sockets, named pipes, etc.
>
> In fact, is it even our intent that “IPv6-only” should preclude the use of other non-IP networking protocols?
>
> Perhaps: IPv6-only means a system or environment where the only version of Internet Protocol in use is Version 6.

works for me.

Alex

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> Does that work?
>
> Owen
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