IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [v6ops] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-v6ops-icp-guidance-03.txt]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 12 March 2012 20:14 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C9021F89A0 for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -103.432
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A-UDT7k3u5kU for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559BF21F871D for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:14:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by ggmi1 with SMTP id i1so3429378ggm.31 for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qtzqlbI5fAS1pu0ai6XxY6sp9Png9A4/k6Q7zDvOKZ8=; b=K/6axYaFsouwiw11va5sUoYtNEpWC7izHneSpmexFvFIbcQ56K8VCEeogLWEZPDvfH xKJ82MZrhgw5iOyLRqEsvRsooZ1ZoZ+fohWkafBkCteY1Zu7p9aFhnDdfY2HSi0Hk0f3 nh+1v5bAO22BoqgTOQpl+NcwcrNncItoi3LXeBGVRWPZ0heEAVNkN+W9i3pBCYVnKKDe VuRoTJWZRKk20lgqNsAMugvViOyrR6kBAKqq/eCtOIMecPqPSPU6DSamLz7HV/uoy9D9 bfJ1/X66cqf5aobbywlghczWEy1BylnPnIP43/aR6CF/3AkRGbM9xl8VO7oR3U9MPnHB 7VgA==
Received: by 10.182.48.36 with SMTP id i4mr8886601obn.72.1331583275255; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [130.216.38.124] (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz. [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h9sm22083859obr.20.2012.03.12.13.14.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4F5E5922.4050501@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:14:26 +1300
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Hui Deng <denghui02@gmail.com>
References: <4F45B554.2060103@gmail.com> <CANF0JMBbQsApjcDeiFK0pi-Qz=jOGFQVvCrPCPW+aVzCwTJx4g@mail.gmail.com> <4F5CF9B2.5070702@gmail.com> <CANF0JMBMwvAq7FNXpTOcEAjJrftgBfDaBsyBV43Qf33jN9fw-g@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CANF0JMBMwvAq7FNXpTOcEAjJrftgBfDaBsyBV43Qf33jN9fw-g@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Cc: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-v6ops-icp-guidance-03.txt]
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:14:38 -0000

Hi,

On 2012-03-12 17:00, Hui Deng wrote:
...
>>> 4) ICP need to fully understand how to avoid DDOS when they launch the
>>> IPv6, otherwise they will always need NAT solution
>> Can you explain that please?
>>
> this expecting that this document could explain how to avoid DDOS in
> detail, otherwise, they have to deploy special NAT to handle this by
> configure some policy over there.

I am very confused about how a NAT algorithm can be configured to detect
a DDOS attack. I can certainly understand that a box that contains a NAT
algorithm might also contain a DDOS detection algorithm, but that is
a separate question.

Maybe what we need is a specific document on detecting and defeating DDOS
attacks in IPv6? That sounds like a major topic in itself, and it isn't
only for ICPs.

   Brian

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email