Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an IPv6 enabled ADSL2+ home line..
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 06 August 2011 15:54 UTC
Return-Path: <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C26321F86EE for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.275
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.275 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x55W2q29tSI0 for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:54:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B76C21F856B for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:54:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966A42093C; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:55:05 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from frontend1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:05 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to; s=smtpout; bh=wv18rXJIvtfujeNfJ/Brj9og9Gs=; b=Lf g/QBqFQpDu2uQXoTr5AP4u87Ra3MHh/BTG/h8v0ktcZeiDWCH9OLBTsb8yFboqoy Kl/RiKx49ZX2+8NXWFqZjkJ0CQnN73Jie7wuMzoQDv6Jc4gygsRtsUs4HZ/c1spP 03HTycYfQFnFSMNjMYvTxYk3GPK3iiBCAHabky/mk=
X-Sasl-enc: dVfe3y6ouwplfr97auITK2j7y0K6eRZWu54LkyXGlmA6 1312646105
Received: from host65-16-145-177.birch.net (host65-16-145-177.birch.net [65.16.145.177]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9173D418576; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:55:04 -0400 (EDT)
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
In-Reply-To: <032A834B-448A-4565-87EC-6DAF37CE2731@laposte.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:03 -0400
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <558460F8-51C7-4C20-9BFD-B8DADC834A6F@network-heretics.com>
References: <0D324E27-DB0C-4496-9E3D-EF01CEC2778E@apnic.net> <D9712407-8D6D-49BC-B642-AD4DAD8E9CAB@apple.com> <m1QoM9f-0001eQC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net> <AA1FC05C-EFA4-46C9-B626-1D558DD6B844@apple.com> <1716B088-C4DF-414C-A8EB-8B778B7D89BC@nominum.com> <99FAF4A2-CD86-4F5E-9D0B-1D6E2DACD459@gmail.com> <m1QoX5D-0001gCC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net> <124FB632-ECED-4EFA-9102-BB9AB8C88096@gmail.com> <20110804012903.D8797126C146@drugs.dv.isc.org> <CAKD1Yr3bT6KWG+3YqHKWUsYBxZNj_ypwhd01ucgsU00Oz_XEeA@mail.gmail.com> <20110804024701.E9DD5126C85A@drugs.dv.isc.org> <CAKD1Yr15PEJcS32t8B_ps=VeO-nKJZKtRgtYidrkwv9zafLL1A@mail.gmail.com> <20110804033606.19231126CE1C@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20110804043805.EE880126D30C@drugs.dv.is> <c.org@apple.com> <CA+OBy1Mjpar6rSF2OCRJ6Mnsy4NMtNknMY_27CzUQRNzv56Vyw@mail.gmail.com> <B533E4F2-AC6E-4874-A99D-3E0C4B42CA62@apnic.net> <CA+OBy1P-eGv+-cwbezxTV9orH9LH5VXqJqUPs+jgszG1S0EvWg@mail.gmail.com> <47CBE645-71EE-48E6-9E3B-384E2C9BE821@apnic.net> <m1QosKS-0001jYC@stereo.hq.ph > <4E699BE0-1F0E-40D7-AE0F-EACFC5E3E343@apple.com> <032A834B-448A-4565-87EC-6DAF37CE2731@laposte.net>
To: Rémi Després <despres.remi@laposte.net>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)
Cc: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an IPv6 enabled ADSL2+ home line..
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:54:52 -0000
On Aug 6, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Rémi Després wrote: >> Finally, if you provision your networks so that IPv4 and IPv6 exhibit "roughly equivalent" levels of path latency and congestion, then we're going to try very, very hard to use both IPv4 and IPv6 in "roughly equivalent" measure. > > Serious disagreement on this one. > In this case, v6 MUST be preferred: > - If both paths are "good" (as they should be!), preference for IPv6 tends to increase the v6/v4 traffic ratio, which will lead to a visible fading out of IPv4 use. > - It's easier to implement, AFAIK, than trying hard to evenly split the traffic between v4 and V6. > Any solid argument against this? As far as I can tell, it's easier to implement if you don't try to bias in favor of IPv6. Then the difference between v4 and v6 will amount to random noise, and the choice between a v4 path and a v6 path will essentially be random. I don't know that it's necessary to "try very, very hard" to use both; I think this will happen fairly naturally. But it might be reasonable for the software to do something like: if there's not a statistically significant difference between the measured performance of the different paths available, fall back to an rfc 3484-like policy table. Keith
- [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an IPv… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Simon Perreault
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Dale W. Carder
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… John Mann (ITS)
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… John Mann (ITS)
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Ray Bellis
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Shane Amante
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Dale W. Carder
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Ray Bellis
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Daniel Roesen
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Mark Smith
- [v6ops] (no subject) Frank Bulk
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Lion/Snow Leaopard side-by-side on an… Keith Moore