Re: [v6ops] Google Alert - IPv6

["Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <[e-mail]>]

Ditto, though I wish 6264 pointed out stateless techniques as well (under the broader umbrella).

Also, a bit of hair splitting below  -

CGNAT is unavoidable, until IPv4 is turned off completely.  There are

IPv4 address sharing is unavoidable, but CGNAT is avoidable (thanks to MAP-T/E etc. employing Stateless Means) in many scenarios.

Charter communications is marching ahead with MAP-T deployments (no CGN), as per the recent NANOG presentation.


Cheers,
Rajiv Asati
Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Services


On Oct 18, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

I would like to remind people that this WG already addressed the issue
a while back: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6264

Of course the ecosystem has evolved since then. In particular, 464XLAT
was not an option, but I hope the basic idea is still valid.

Regards
  Brian

On 19/10/2017 11:30, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Fully agree and in fact this was the basis of my discussion with Europol last week.

We had a complete day workshop on this topic, plus many documents exchange in preparation for that.

After my presentation and all day long discussions, it was clear that the path is deploying IPv6 + voluntary code of conduct among ISPs + legislation.

I also showed that there are ways and ways to deploy IPv6, in terms of different transition mechanism.

Then as promoting (again) IPv6 deployment was decided as the first step from the EC and member states, I indicated that we need to provide example in our own institutions, so I asked (I knew the answer in advance) to raise the hand to all the member states that have already their institutions (police in this case), already IPv6 enabled … surprise surprise … none was ready.

So, I asked if we can agree in a short-term plan for all them to “at least” have public plan announced in the next 6 months. So that’s what I will be working now with them.

Regards,
Jordi


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De: v6ops <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> en nombre de Paul Marks <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
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Asunto: Re: [v6ops] Google Alert - IPv6

   On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Fred Baker <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
So, this may be a dumb question. IPv6 advocates will reflexively agree with
comments on “CGNAT is a bad idea”. But as operators who very likely have
some combination of IPv6 and CGNAT, do we have thoughtful experience-based
comments on this topic?

   CGNAT is unavoidable, until IPv4 is turned off completely.  There are
   more humans than IPv4 addresses, so somebody needs to share.

   Deploying CGNAT without deploying IPv6 first is a bad idea.

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