Re: Turning off Etherpad

[Mark Nottingham <[e-mail]>]

Thanks!


> On 16 Sep 2021, at 4:19 am, Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Mark -
> 
> I want to note that your policy suggestion is being discussed. I am bringing it up with some frequency - I don't think that we'll have such a policy in the near future, but I do think we'll be working towards one. I will be sending a note about the expectations around the notes service momentarily.
> 
> RjS
> 
> On 8/10/21 8:27 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>> My understanding was always that etherpad was a best-effort, ephemeral service; i.e., there was no guarantee (implicit or explicit) of stability or availability. That's probably the right policy, given that there able to be edited by *anyone on the Internet*.
>> 
>> We might consider a somewhat more formal and explicit policy on service stability and availability (on a service-by-service basis), so that folks aren't surprised by this in the future. E.g., the W3C has:
>>   https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 11:24 am, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, what is he plan for archiving etherpad.ietf.org ?
>>> Can/will the be made read-only/no new data ?
>>> 
>>> Or is all that content that may still have URLs in emails and other places
>>> pointing to it deemed to be lost except for the subset of pages that
>>> where converted into IETF meeting minuts by WG chairs ?
>>> 
>>> If all this content is meant to be lost because it is too difficult to
>>> change to read-only, is this the same strategy for codimd ? Aka:
>>> if you do not save it, it will be lost at some point in time ?
>>> 
>>> If converting to read-only is too difficult, maybe the whole tree
>>> can just be put up for download as a tar file for any future researchers...
>>> However, i am not sure if all the content is meant to be public, or if
>>> we did assume some degree of possible confidentiality because of non-searchable
>>> namespace.
>>> 
>>> Btw: I think it would be great if codimd would solve these issues:
>>> You can only create new names under whatever.ietf.org/2021/<your-string-here>
>>> and after 2 years the whole years directory tree turns read-only with
>>> indexing/search...
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>>    Toeless
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 06:05:34PM -0700, Fred Baker wrote:
>>>> People use it in recording our minutes. Losing it would be unfortunate.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chairs -
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are making plans to turn down etherpad.ietf.org in a few weeks. Let me know of any concerns or need for delay.
>>>>> 
>>>>> RjS
>>>>> 
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