Re: [xml2rfc] assuming that period (.) ends a sentence is sometimes wrong

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 27 February 2021 19:40 UTC

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To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, xml2rfc@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] assuming that period (.) ends a sentence is sometimes wrong
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On 28-Feb-21 08:16, John Levine wrote:
> In article <9366fbd9-f117-b120-04dc-91f8ed80b56c@gmx.de> you write:
>> That said, RFC 7322 has:
>>
>>>    *  When a sentence ended by a period is immediately followed by
>>>       another sentence, there must be two blank spaces after the period.
>>
>> (<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7322#section-3.2>).
>>
>> That text is gone in draft-flanagan-7322bis-00, dated March 2017. I'd
>> love to hear the current TRSE's position on that -- is this change going
>> to stay?
> 
> I don't know why it went into 7322 

Inertia, I suspect.

> or who removed it in the draft or why.

Don't care who. Why? Because some previous round of this exact same discussion reached the conclusion that:
 
> Personally, I'm with you.  The extra space is an antique tradition from
> the days of manual typewriters and I don't see any reason to worry about it
> any more.  If you care about legibility, read the HTML version with those
> nice proportional typefaces.

So unless inertia rules the day, why don't we advance 7322bis and finally remove this pointless rule?

    Brian