Re: [89attendees] unlawful in Britain to carry pocketknives that lock

"DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> Sun, 09 March 2014 22:05 UTC

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From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com>
To: "Murphy, Sandra" <Sandra.Murphy@parsons.com>, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>, "t.p." <daedulus@btconnect.com>, "89attendees@ietf.org" <89attendees@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [89attendees] unlawful in Britain to carry pocketknives that lock
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Googling or equivalent of "offensive weapons", "drugs", "import restrictions", "tourist driving summary" along with a country name gives you most of what you would need to know.

I seem to have been travelling to the US for years without such information.

Regards

Keith

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Murphy, Sandra [mailto:Sandra.Murphy@parsons.com] 
> Sent: 09 March 2014 11:05
> To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith); Christer Holmberg; t.p.; 
> 89attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [89attendees] unlawful in Britain to carry 
> pocketknives that lock
> 
> >It is surely reasonable to be expected to know something of 
> the law of the countries you are visiting. There is no need 
> for the IETF to have to >warn of this. Most governments have 
> web pages that give a simple summary of the law and this is 
> hardly hidden (as already identified):
> >
> >
> >https://www.gov.uk/find-out-if-i-can-buy-or-carry-a-knife
> 
> I posted the message precisely because I knew that there was 
> a good chance there were people who would not know of this 
> law and would be violating it.
> 
> "know something", sure, but there are endless varieties of 
> "something".  I think you are missing the point that 
> 
> https://www.gov.uk/find-out-if-i-can-buy-or-carry-a-knife
> 
> presumes that you know that there's a question about carrying 
> knives that needs to be answered.
> 
> When something is very very common and totally accepted where 
> you are, it might not occur to you to ask.
> 
> find-out-if-I-can-buy-or-carry-folding-scissors
> find-out-if-I-can-buy-or-carry-matches
> find-out-if-I-can-buy-or-carry-razor
> find-out-if-I-can-buy-or-carry-mouthwash
> find-out-if-I-can-buy-or-carry-nail-clippers
> find-out-if-I-can-buy-or-carry-aspirin
> 
> for example, are not any of them questions I thought to ask.  
> Luckily there was no need.  Or at least I don't think so, but 
> I did get through the London Eye search without trouble.  :-) 
> (The fact that the London Eye had forms readily at hand must 
> mean that this pocketknife problem is a frequent occurrence.)
> 
> If I implied that I thought the Secretariat should warn of 
> this, I did not intend to.  I don't know that it is possible 
> for them.  I'm trying to think of a way to prevent such 
> things, and all that I can come up with is a plea to those 
> IETF-ers who are frequent international travelers.  They 
> might have the broad experience to notice conflicts in which 
> common behaviors in some countries are illegal in others.  
> (interoperability problems?) They could post warnings to the 
> attendees list.  Keep your fellow community brethren out of 
> the Clink.  :-)
> 
> --Sandy
> 
> 
>