Re: [admin-discuss] Attempt to diagram the structure of the IETF

[Jay Daley <[e-mail]>]

New version now posted, which addresses all of this (except the position of NomCom) and adds IANA.  Also includes some lines tweaks to improve readability.

Jay


> On 22/02/2022, at 9:17 AM, Jay Daley <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Signed PGP part
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>> On 22/02/2022, at 5:11 AM, Bob Hinden <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>> Jay,
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>> Quite an undertaking!   No good deed shall go unpunished :-)
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>> A few comments:
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>> Looking at this, it would appear that ISOC is part of the IETF.   The ISOC community might be surprised to learn this.
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> The title includes "and inter-related organisations" partly to cover ISOC and partly because some people insist that "IETF" cannot be used as an umbrella term to include the IAB/IRTF while others insist that it has been used as such for many years.
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>> Having the NOMCOM on top, might cause some to conclude it’s the main leadership body for all below it.
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> I put it at the top because of the appointment authority but I agree that this needs some form of adjustment, as Brian suggested, to explain how it is constructed.  If we were instead to have the IESG/IAB etc as the top layer then the arrows would likely become unmanageable.
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>> I think it would be good to distinguish between appointing volunteers, vs. hiring employees/contractors.   For example, the ISOC board hires (selects, contracts, pays) a CEO, vs. the IAB appointing the IRTF chair.
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> That is captured by the box style - thick lines for community appointed bodies and double lines for contracted roles.
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>> “owns” is used in different ways.   ISOC “owns” the IETF LLC is quite different from the IESG “owns” Working Groups.  I am not sure that “owns” is quite right for relationship between the IESG and Working Groups.  “Charters” might be better.
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> Agree and 'charters' is a better word.
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>> Lastly, the use of black and white to distinguish different kinds of roles in the KEY is very subtle.  You might consider also using colors or shading.
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> I was trying to avoid colour because of the problems with that - I will look at shading.
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> Jay
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>> Bob
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>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Jay Daley <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>>> I’ve had a go at diagramming the structure of the IETF and inter-related organisations to assist new staff and contractors:
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>>> 	https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Structure_-_February_2022.png
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>>> While the RSWG/RSAB are not officially approved, they are included.
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>>> Any feedback most welcome.
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>>> cheers
>>> Jay
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