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Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 25 August 2023 11:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification for draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-06.txt
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Hiya,

On 25/08/2023 11:31, Jay Daley wrote:
>   * Using/unpublished/  market data to evaluate the relative
> implementation costs of/alternative technical proposals/  to decide
> whether one is significantly more feasible in the market and thus
> a better candidate for standardization.

FWIW, I don't think that's an improvement. We often
get reports that someone reports x% failures with a
new mechanism without them publishing the underlying
data, and we often do, and should, act on those if
they're credible (which they mostly are in my
experience).

Maybe the problem is the phrase "market data"? Is
that meant to include/exclude e.g. reports that
trials have found that a new TLS extension causes
some deployed implementations to misbehave?

Ta,
S.

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