Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification for draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-06.txt
Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org> Fri, 25 August 2023 13:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification for draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-06.txt
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Stehpen, On 25.08.23 13:41, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Maybe the problem is the phrase "market data"? Is > that meant to include/exclude e.g. reports that > trials have found that a new TLS extension causes > some deployed implementations to misbehave? Communication is complex. Rulings on communication are as complex. The issue here is that "market data" or any other type of data (prices) are set as absolute without taking into account the purpose of that communication. But all the guidelines on horizontal agreements (that I know) ALWAYS include an intrinsic condition on the purpose of the communication. And this intrinsic condition is that the communication is done with the goal of market manipulation. This is why standards are permissible despite the fact that they are horizontal agreements. This is the weak point of the current way the ID tries to address the issue. A certain type of data or content in communication is set equal to competition limitation. This then turns into the well known game: You can't say black, white, red, good and bad. If you do, you're out/sanctioned. Oh, look at the 3 colored balls, which one do you want? The name of the game is interoperability. As long as something furthers interoperability, there can't be any competition limitation. Because interoperability substantially furthers competition. The rest of the ID concerns very knowledgeable guidelines on the crazy US liability system. The discussion could benefit from making this more transparent. just my 2 cents -- Rigo
- [antitrust-policy] Fwd: New Version Notification … Jay Daley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Fwd: New Version Notificat… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Jay Daley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Jay Daley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Joel Halpern
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Jay Daley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Jay Daley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Black, David
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Rigo Wenning
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [antitrust-policy] New Version Notification f… Stephan Wenger