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Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> Fri, 25 August 2023 12:22 UTC

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From: Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>
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> On 25 Aug 2023, at 12:41, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> On 25/08/2023 11:31, Jay Daley wrote:
>>  * Using/unpublished/  market data to evaluate the relative
>> implementation costs of/alternative technical proposals/  to decide
>> whether one is significantly more feasible in the market and thus
>> a better candidate for standardization.
> 
> FWIW, I don't think that's an improvement. We often
> get reports that someone reports x% failures with a
> new mechanism without them publishing the underlying
> data, and we often do, and should, act on those if
> they're credible (which they mostly are in my
> experience).
> 
> Maybe the problem is the phrase "market data"? Is
> that meant to include/exclude e.g. reports that
> trials have found that a new TLS extension causes
> some deployed implementations to misbehave?

As I understand it, what you are describing is technical data, not market data, which is commercial information (sales, prices, etc) but I’m sure others will correct me if I’m wrong.

Jay

> 
> Ta,
> S.
> <OpenPGP_0xE4D8E9F997A833DD.asc>

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