Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-04.txt
"J-F C. Morfin" <jfc@morfin.org> Wed, 27 April 2011 21:42 UTC
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Cc: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>, idna-update@alvestrand.no, apps-discuss@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-04.txt
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At 20:58 27/04/2011, John C Klensin wrote: >That is at least partially because, if someone wants to register a >label that would naturally include a DISALLOWED character, people >will make compromises and register whatever they consider as >similar as possible. John, this is what, I believe, makes Stephane differentiating characters and code points. Characters are what people consider. Code points and their properties what Unicode considers. Characters exist before Unicode code points. Unicode changes at this stage are to better match characters. The way people have used code points to support a character may be the same or different from the way Unicode will do it in its new version: this is something a registry can easily address through a policy statement and in validating domain names using the new Unicode approach to replace the people compromise. Also, remember that if IDNA2008 is Unicode-version independent, it means that it is necessarily UCS system independent. I consider that Unicode is inappropriate to network semiotics support but that IDNA2008 does a good job to support Unicode and pave the way for new kind of supports. This means that U-labels and A-labels may go for ever, but N-labels (from an UCS network oriented system?) could be introduced and supported [that internally may very well use ISO 10646 tables or not]. At this stage, IDNA2008, on the machine side uses Unicode which is a computer oriented (hence code point) system, while people use signs (i.e. when scripting, characters). The whole issue is to make them better and better correspond. However, IMHO we are reaching the limits of the Unicode kind of typographic oriented system (ex. lack of French majuscules support, but also logos, gestures, sounds, thoughts, etc. new signs for new kind of communication system. etc.) jfc
- [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-04.t… Jiankang Yao
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… JFC Morfin
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… jean-michel bernier de portzamparc
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Stéphane Lancel
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Vint Cerf
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Stéphane Lancel
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… J-F C. Morfin
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Jiankang YAO
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Joseph Yee
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Jiankang YAO
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-… Joseph Yee