Re: [arch-d] The Internet Architecture for Pandemics/Emergencies/Crises

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 08 May 2020 15:33 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] The Internet Architecture for Pandemics/Emergencies/Crises
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Thanks, Guntur,

In reading the ISOC call for proposals page, i am pretty sure that
they wouldn't bother about long-term, fundamental architecture improvements
as being within scope.

[For example, i was appalled by the desire/need
 to manage Internet QoS through phone calls from heads of state to Netflix,
 so they would reduce pressure of video traffic onto the now more
 important traffic (WFH etc.). In my world, the network should itself be able to
 perform QoS to do that, no management by phone needed. But i am sure that OTT
 providers will continue to fight against that architectural evolution
 of the Internet with the fake argument of "net neutrality" to serve
 their financial bottom line.]

I forwarded to manycouched and mboned because scalable, free video conferencing
specifically for emergency response style large scale conferences is
certinly a key tool, but to me the ISOC call for proposals looks like
very much baked to favour established administrative entities (must be
able to have track record to manage the money). Aka: I fear it will
exclude core technical innovators that have not managed to build up
a bureaucracy large enough to deal with money that way. Too bad.

Managing the money is a service that ISOC should be able to provide
to innovators.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 09:25:01PM +0700, Guntur Wiseno Putra wrote:
> Dear architecture-discuss,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  "The Internet Architecture for Pandemics/Emergencies/Crises"
> 
> 
> I red the ISOC's page of news blog --while there are other ones-- on
> current happening "Covid -19 Pandemic"
> 
> "What does a Global Pandemic Means for the Internet"? (08 April 2020)
> 
> 
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2020/04/what-does-a-glo
> bal-pandemic-mean-for-the-internet/
> 
> 
> If we may change slightly the title with
> 
> "What does a Global Pandemic Means for the Internet ARCHITECTURE"?
> 
> Supposedly it takes us to a notion on "The Internet Architecture for
> Pandemics/Emergencies/Crises" --it refers not only to the current Covid-19
> pandemic but other possible pandemic/emergencies/crises.
> 
> Here perhaps engineers/architects with such passions and skills: Currently
> it is published by the ISOC Foundation:
> 
> Emergency Response Grant Programme: COVID-19
> 
> Dead line: May 17th
> 
> https://www.isocfoundation.org/grant-programme/emergency-
> response-grant-programme-covid19/
> 
> 
> 
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra

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