Re: [arch-d] I-D Action: draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-08.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 13 July 2022 03:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] I-D Action: draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-08.txt
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On 13-Jul-22 11:57, Bernard Aboba wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2022, at 16:44, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I still find it hard to accept that there is community consensus for
>> this document as it stands. Most of what its says is correct but it
>> still seems to unreasonably claim universal scope.
> 
> [BA] IAB documents have never required community consensus, only consensus of the current IAB.  

Indeed.

> So while I happen to agree with you, documents like this one ultimately say more about the current IAB than they do about the Internet.

People writing fault-tolerant software will draw their own conclusions.

    Brian