Re: [arch-d] [E-impact] New IAB Technical Program: Environmental Impacts of Internet Technology (EIMPACT)

[Hesham ElBakoury <[e-mail]>]

Thanks Arnaud!
The focus group (FG-QIT4N) documents are available for members in its
website:
https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/qit4n/Pages/default.aspx

It is a good idea if ITU-T can share relevant documents with us through
liaison. To make that happen I think you need to work with Lars, Collin and
Mirja (I do not understand the process, but they certainly do).

Thanks
Hesham



On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 10:26 AM Arnaud Taddei <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hesham, my statement was not based on documents but more the experience I
> had to the creation of the incubation mechanism of SG17 which led to the
> blossoming of Quantum in ITU-T and then to chair the very hard consensus
> for the creation of the ITU-T Focus Group on Quantum IT for Networks
> (FG-QIT4N) a few years ago. My statement is based on what I learnt the very
> hard way leading all this work.
>
>
>
> However, this would be a good opportunity for IETF to send a liaison
> statement to ITU-T (SG5, SG11, SG13, SG17) on what is the perspective of
> the experts there and them send what they can share. Happy to help if there
> is consensus for that.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Hesham ElBakoury <[e-mail]>
> *Date: *Friday, 25 August 2023 at 18:46
> *To: *Arnaud Taddei <[e-mail]>
> *Cc: *Colin Perkins <[e-mail]>, IAB <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> *Subject: *Re: [arch-d] [E-impact] New IAB Technical Program:
> Environmental Impacts of Internet Technology (EIMPACT)
>
> Thanks Arnaud,
>
> Can you please share with us ITU document which describes its findings.
>
>
>
> Hesham
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 9:35 AM Arnaud Taddei <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> Hesham, I would like to backup Colin here.
>
>
>
> From all the work done at the ITU, I don’t see either, how any Quantum
> technology (be computing, network, key distribution, etc.) is going to have
> any significant environmental impact.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> *From: *Architecture-discuss <[e-mail]> on
> behalf of Colin Perkins <[e-mail]>
> *Date: *Friday, 25 August 2023 at 09:27
> *To: *Hesham ElBakoury <[e-mail]>
> *Cc: *IAB <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] <
> [e-mail]>, [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> *Subject: *Re: [arch-d] [E-impact] New IAB Technical Program:
> Environmental Impacts of Internet Technology (EIMPACT)
>
> Hesham,
>
> Quantum Computing is an interesting area that can provide many benefits.
> I'm unconvinced that it will provide a meaningful way to reduce the
> environmental impact of the Internet in a useful timeframe to meet
> emissions targets, however.
>
> The IRTF has a long standing Quantum Internet Research Group.
>
> Colin
>
>
>
> On 25 Aug 2023, at 6:17, Hesham ElBakoury wrote:
>
> Thanks for IAB efforts to create this program which also looks into IRTF
> research topics.
>
>
>
> There are two interesting research topics that I would like discus, but I
> am not sure if they are within the scope of this IAB program. Both topics
> are related to *Quantum Computing*.
>
>
>
> *1) Looking into the energy efficiency of quantum computing* is
> an interesting topic for *quantum Internet* research.  For example, there
> is *Quantum Energy Initiative (QEI) *[
> https://quantum-energy-initiative.org/
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://quantum-energy-initiative.org/%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1693553272000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw2iYVQfF7Chd2JvJnUeZwrv&source=gmail-imap&ust=1693586807000000&usg=AOvVaw1joRVHoVa9KTsb6CO45amp>]
> which provides a "*path towards energy-efficient, sustainable quantum
> technologies, and to possibly bring out an energetic quantum advantage." *
>
>
>
> *IEEE* is interested in this topic, therefore, it has launched the *IEEE*
> *P3329* project to look into it. You can access the website of this
> project here: https://sagroups.ieee.org/qei/
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://sagroups.ieee.org/qei/%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1693553272000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw1PvaXeIc4KdtozfPu3x0rb&source=gmail-imap&ust=1693586807000000&usg=AOvVaw0cBoP-NlthHDoz--CIm5O8>
>
>
>
> *2) Using Quantum Computing to fight against climate change and create an
> energy efficient Internet* is another interesting research topic.
>
>
>
> Regarding this topic, please refer to the McKinsey report "*Quantum
> computing just might save the planet*"
>
> (
> https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/mckinsey-digital/our-insights/quantum-computing-just-might-save-the-planet?cid=eml-app
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/mckinsey-digital/our-insights/quantum-computing-just-might-save-the-planet?cid%253Deml-app%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1693553272000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw1xnlGTmEs4CRKNuwNzNLVn&source=gmail-imap&ust=1693586807000000&usg=AOvVaw11JP3ZUBoJTH5vtmY6iSBZ>).
> The report describes using different use cases how "*The emerging
> technology of Quantum Computing could revolutionize the fight against
> climate change, transforming the economics of decarbonization and becoming
> a major factor in limiting global warming to the target temperature of
> 1.5°C. Exponentially more powerful machines could make possible major
> reductions in emissions, putting the goal of limiting global warming within
> reach*."
>
>
>
> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) has this news release:
>
>
> https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2023/quantum-computers-can-now-interface-with-power-grid-equipment.html
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2023/quantum-computers-can-now-interface-with-power-grid-equipment.html%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1693553272000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw0HqEDuusfoRd4T3tNB1fGt&source=gmail-imap&ust=1693586807000000&usg=AOvVaw1K-X4NjMsl517MZ0OJv1RG>.
> "*With its head-spinning size and connections, the power system is so
> complex that even supercomputers struggle to efficiently solve certain
> optimization problems.** But quantum computers might fare better, and now
> researchers can explore that prospect thanks to a software interface
> between quantum computers and grid equipment.*
>
> *The link from quantum to grid—achieved by a team from the National
> Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) with funding from the Department of
> Energy Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, and in
> collaboration with RTDS Technologies Inc., and Atom Computing—allows
> researchers to perform “quantum-in-the-loop” experiments. And this
> capability goes beyond just energy devices: With NREL’s Advanced Research
> on Integrated Energy Systems (ARIES)
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://www.nrel.gov/aries/index.html%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1693553272000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw1j92_vg7jUZJYryM28hvA8&source=gmail-imap&ust=1693586807000000&usg=AOvVaw1Tyq8WmUoQhBi_cZ_WfTg0>,
> researchers can run quantum in-the-loop within highly realistic power
> systems. Quantum in-the-loop could be an important next step for using
> quantum computing to optimize electric grid operations with the
> interconnection of increasingly complex distributed energy resources*."
> You can find more details in this paper
> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10108354
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10108354%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1693553272000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw2quQTwKLo04wl6-IsntBXT&source=gmail-imap&ust=1693586807000000&usg=AOvVaw17wELnMfVyRKLkUESDmehB>.
> Using Quantum Computing the same way can help optimize the energy usage of
> the Internet. For example it can be used to calculate the schedule for
> Internert routers as described in tvr.
>
>
>
> Comments?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Hesham
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 10:54 AM IAB Executive Administrative Manager <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
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