Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from hosts to overlay edge nodes. Any opinion?
Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu> Tue, 14 February 2012 16:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from hosts to overlay edge nodes. Any opinion?
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu> wrote: >> I think this is a very interesting problem. If BOTH the MAC-to-IP binding, >> and the MAC-to-tunnel-end-point binding can be resolved using a directory >> service, it would eliminate the need for IP multicast support from the network, >> provided there are no multicast applications. > > A directory could eliminate any reliance upon IP Multicast for MAC to > tunnel end point binding but would not eliminate the need for IP > Multicast in the network. You would still want the dynamic nature of > joining and pruning along with the efficient data delivery across the > overlay network. Good solutions will take mcast applications into > proper consideration. I agree that we would still need IP multicast in the network to support multicast applications. My point was that a directory-based mechanism would eliminate the need for IP multicast if the only reason it was need was for the purpose of getting ARP traffic through the network. That said, there are unicast applications (such as Microsoft's Network Load Balancing) that require multicast at L2, and because they require multicast at L2, such a network would still need to support IP multicast. So really, the directory-based approach would be helpful only in a narrow set of circumstances -- no multicast applications including things like NLB. Anoop
- [armd] address resolution requirement from hosts … Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Mike McBride
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… David Allan I
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… David Allan I
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Mike McBride
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Mike McBride
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Michael K. Smith - Adhost
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Joel jaeggli
- [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: addr… Thomas Narten
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … Aldrin Isaac
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … David Allan I
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … Aldrin Isaac
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Igor Gashinsky
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Igor Gashinsky
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Igor Gashinsky
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Michael K. Smith - Adhost
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … thomas.morin