Re: [Asrg] reject and DSN, was What are the IPs

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 02 July 2009 15:51 UTC

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>DSNs have the potential to be more useful to humans if they're
>constructed by the MTA that has more information. ...

Well, OK.  DSNs have been around for 13 years now.  How often do you see
one with more useful info that you'd find in a reject notice?  And if
you expect them to be better in the future, what's going to change in
the next 13 years to make that happen?

R's,
John