Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG
David McGrew <mcgrew@cisco.com> Fri, 24 January 2014 12:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG
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Hi Kevin and Paul, I think the key-centric stuff is interesting and worthwhile, but to some extent it is outside the scope of CFRG. Can I ask that the CFRG presentation on this topic cover the crypto mechanisms and protocols that are relevant for a key-centric architecture, rather than focus on the public-key authentication architecture itself? Not trying to discourage work in this area, just trying to make sure that agenda time covers algorithms and protocols first. David On 01/23/2014 01:37 PM, Paul Lambert wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > On 1/22/14, 9:29 AM, "Igoe, Kevin M." <kmigoe@nsa.gov> wrote: > >> If we were to put "key centric" on the CFRG agenda for IETF-89, do we >> have a speaker willing to give a presentation? > Thank you for your interest in the topic. I would be very willing and > interested in presenting on Œkey centric¹, however for the first time > in many years the IETF is occurring the same week as the Wi-Fi > Alliance Š so I¹m not available that week. > >> If this is too short of a >> deadline to meet, we can always have a presentation at a later meeting? > Yes. That would work well. > > Paul > >> Three options: >> 1) discuss at nest meeting >> 2) discuss in the near future but not at the next meeting >> 3) no support for a presentation in the near future. Maybe sometime >> later. >> 4) Utter silence on the mailing list. >> >> As to #4, the Germans have a saying "Keine Antwort ist auch eine Antwort" >> (no is answer is also an answer). >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Cfrg [mailto:cfrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of dan@geer.org >>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:10 PM >>> To: Paul Lambert >>> Cc: Sean Turner; David McGrew; cfrg@irtf.org >>> Subject: Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG >>> >>> >>> > A useful mechanism, but it would be better to start with reexamining >>> and > redefining our usage of public keys. Specifically - I'm an >>> advocate of > keys as the primary identifiers. A "key centric" >>> approach is a dual model >>> > to Kohnfelder/X.509 The SDSI/SPKI work did progress work in this >>> > direction, but failed for a variety of reasons. >>> >>> Key-centric versus name-centric identity is The Question, is it not? >>> >>> I rather doubt that the Administration's push for the NSTIC is likely >>> to settle in on key-centricity, but might you elaborate on your >>> preference for it? I'm sympathetic to it on the grounds that it >>> directly enables multi-personna and, thus, data segmentation. >>> >>> If I'm being obtuse, feel free to say so. >>> >>> --dan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cfrg mailing list >>> Cfrg@irtf.org >>> http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg > . >
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Trevor Perrin
- [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Sean Turner
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Henrick Hellström
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG David Wagner
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Henrick Hellström
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Henrick Hellström
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Dan Brown
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Max Pritikin (pritikin)
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Sean Turner
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Sean Turner
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Adam Back
- [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering new… David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering… Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering… Sean Turner
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Sean Turner
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Max Pritikin (pritikin)
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Dan Brown
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering… Igoe, Kevin M.
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering… Igoe, Kevin M.
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering… Watson Ladd
- [Cfrg] DANE in the IETF (was: Re: considering new… Paul Hoffman
- [Cfrg] One Key -> RE: considering new topics for … Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering… Paul Lambert
- [Cfrg] ReL DANE in the IETF (was: Re: considering… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless Hilarie Orman
- [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum comp… David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG dan
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … David Jacobson
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … Yoav Nir
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … arne renkema-padmos
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … Igoe, Kevin M.
- Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless David Wagner
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] likelihood that someone has a quantum … arne renkema-padmos
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Igoe, Kevin M.
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG David McGrew
- [Cfrg] 'key centric' architecture (was: Re: consi… Rene Struik
- Re: [Cfrg] 'key centric' architecture (was: Re: c… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG David McGrew