Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering new topics for CFRG)
Sean Turner <TurnerS@ieca.com> Wed, 08 January 2014 15:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] QKD is pointless (was: Re: considering new topics for CFRG)
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On Jan 08, 2014, at 07:20, Paterson, Kenny <Kenny.Paterson@rhul.ac.uk> wrote: > > > On 08/01/2014 12:06, "David McGrew" <mcgrew@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Hi Sean, >> >> On 01/08/2014 12:26 AM, Sean Turner wrote: >>> My list is kind of short: >> >> thanks for sharing your top of mind list, it will help us to prioritize >> work. >> >>> >>> 0) Could the CFRG get behind these recommendations for RSA-OAEP/PSS or >>> not: >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/saag/current/msg04481.html >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/saag/current/msg04482.html >>> >>> If so, let¹s do a draft! >>> >>> 1) Assuming RSA goes kaput, it seems like we¹re moving towards EC (am I >>> wrong here) then are these EC-based documents worth saying more about >>> (e.g., in the next version of the protocol use this or run away in fear): >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6979/ >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peck-ecdhpop/ >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jivsov-ecc-compact/ >>> >>> 2) Is QKD something we need to start considering: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nagayama-ipsecme-ipsec-with-qkd-00.txt >>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ghernaouti-sfaxi-ppp-qkd-00.txt >> >> #0 and #1 are well worth discussion. For now, I will only comment on #2. >> >> Quantum Key Distribution does not provide a solution to any problem that >> we have at hand, and is not worthy of serious consideration for >> extensive use in the Internet. > > <excellent explanation of the shortcomings of QKD excised> > >> >> My talk isn't online (just mentioned but not archived >> http://bristolcrypto.blogspot.com/2012_12_01_archive.html) If we need >> to get these points understood more widely, we could publish something >> on it. > > Thanks for the reminder about this talk, which I very much enjoyed at the > time. > > A few years back, we wrote a paper [1] explaining why we believed that QKD > is not commercially interesting. Some of the points are orthogonal to > yours, some overlap. > > [1] Quantum cryptography: a practical information security perspective. > Kenneth G. Paterson, Fred Piper, Ruediger Schack > http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0406147 > > Cheers > > Kenny I love instant gratification! spt
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