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Re: [codec] #5: Mention DTMF in requirements

"Raymond (Juin-Hwey) Chen" <rchen@broadcom.com> Sat, 03 April 2010 01:12 UTC

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From: "Raymond (Juin-Hwey) Chen" <rchen@broadcom.com>
To: James Rafferty <James.Rafferty@dialogic.com>, stephen botzko <stephen.botzko@gmail.com>, Christian Hoene <hoene@uni-tuebingen.de>
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+1

Raymond

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Subject: Re: [codec] #5: Mention DTMF in requirements

+1
James Rafferty

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Subject: Re: [codec] #5: Mention DTMF in requirements

I am fine with your suggestions.

Stephen Botzko
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Christian Hoene <hoene@uni-tuebingen.de<mailto:hoene@uni-tuebingen.de>> wrote:
Hi Stephan,

Comments inline:


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From: stephen botzko [mailto:stephen.botzko@gmail.com<mailto:stephen.botzko@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 4:50 PM
To: Christian Hoene
Cc: Michael Knappe; stpeter@stpeter.im<mailto:stpeter@stpeter.im>; codec@ietf.org<mailto:codec@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [codec] #5: Mention DTMF in requirements
(a) "MUST NOT" means that it must fail.  Perhaps you meant "need not" or "might not"?
CH: Yes, I meant need not (or the German "muss nicht")

(b) SHOULD is commonly used in establishing requirements, and it certainly was used in MARTINI and other working groups at IETF77 in
requirements presentations with no confusion. It has a clear meaning in the requirements context (desirable but not essential) and I
see no reason to avoid its use at this phase.  There will certainly be other things that are "nice to have", and it is appropriate
to track them and consider them in the selection/standardization process.
CH: Better? "The codec SHOULD support the transmission DTMF at most transmission conditions."

I agree that language about DTMF might not need to be in the final RFC.  Though if DTMF quality is known to be inadequate, it
probably makes sense to tell people that.
CH: Agreed. The limits of the codec shall be clearly stated.

I also agree to the obvious comment that DTMF detection methods are out of scope.
CH: Agreed.

CH: Isn't time to include the MUST requirement for DTMF testing and SHOULD requirement for transmission support into the
requirements document.
Then, we could close issue #5 and continue with other things.

 Christian

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